You forget Israel was founded in 1948 and the colonial plan was in place decades before that. And the CIA came into existence shortly after. It wouldn't take much for some people to look at the map, and figure out who's going to be where in charge of what resources. It's really not that difficult.
Now how it actually played out is dependent on the individual decisions made subsequently. No one is saying every detail was laid out in advance - just the broad goals and the likely players. And those goals and players haven't changed in 75 years, other than China rising and even that might have been predicted.
No, it makes sense that the Axis doesn't want a war since even if they win it will devastate their countries. The US doesn't care because the US homeland is never at risk, as Andrei Martyanov has pointed out.
I do say that at this point, it's a waste of breath to say one doesn't want war when the enemy clearly does. I think Iran understands that now, as Khamenei has stated that Iran won't restrain itself any more.
There comes a time when one has to fish or cut bait, and I think the Axis is about at that point. But they'd still like the defining escalation to be on the other side so they can continue to claim the moral high ground, as if they didn't already have it. But that's how wars start - everyone has to blame the other side. That's why this story about an alleged Iranian underground nuclear test is being floated. It the US and Israel's last chance to blame Iran for their upcoming attack on Iran.
thanks richard.. it’s not a given a full fledged war.. if the crazies are in full control in the usa, then yes.. but it remains to be seen if this is fully true or not..
I'm listening to the Nima interview with Hudson and Wolf, as Karlof1 suggested. If you want proof how long this has been planned, listen to Hudson explain how this was all started by the Hudson Institute and Herman Kahn and Henry Jackson back in the 1950's and 60's.
In other words, as Hudson put it, this is a "religious war". As I said in my first part of "Armageddon", this is one of the major reasons this war is inevitable. There are economic reasons and religious reasons, and pure hegemony reasons.
The interview doesn't tell me anything I didn't already know, but it does fill in details most people don't know.
thanks richard.. i haven't got round to watching it yet.. i am however watching this right now and have cued it up to a point which might interest you.. give it a listen if you'd like - dimitri lascaris and matthew hoh in an interesting exchange - https://youtu.be/61lEPnxwG_0?t=1811
I read the transcript since I can't view Youtube videos on Youtube due to YT cutting audio if you have an adblocker running. That's why I download all my YT videos instead using Media Downloader.
Someone over at Sonar21 referenced this conflict between Doctorow and Mearsheimer as well.
Aside from the obvious - that Mearsheimer made his career on "The Israel Lobby" and thus any criticism of that thesis is a threat to his rep - both parties are wrong or more precisely incomplete.
In reality, the "PTB" are composed of a mix. Some are Zionists, some are Protestants influenced by Zionism, some are Catholics who hate Jews but aren't averse to using them - and ALL of them are united in pursuit of money, power, and US hegemony. That means oil which means control of the Middle East pursuant to war with "the East" - meaning Russia and China. As Hudson puts it, this was all designed back in the 1950s and 1960s.
Under that layer are the neocons who are mostly, but not entirely Jewish, nor are all of them religious Jews. The Zionist ideology is equally about power and hegemony in the Middle East as a colonial and racist project as much as it is a religious project.
As Wolff pointed out in the interview, the Israelis recognize they can't survive in the Arab world as "the bad guy" if they don't have the support of a major power. First it was France (mostly for nuclear power), then it was the US when France wouldn't give them nukes.
In other words, Israel is under control of the US but of course seeks to undermine that control - as any human would - and thus seeks to control the US. So it becomes a case of both sides using the other to get what they want.
Standard human behavior. Larry Johnson doesn't get this, as his article on Sonar21 proves. He comes down on the "Zionists control the US" as if that were the only issue that matters, like Mearsheimer. Doctorow comes down on the PTB control the Zionists.
In reality, as I've said, it's a perfect storm where everyone involved - the neocons, the Israelis, the MIC, the oil companies and the banks that finance these entities - are all on board with the same thing: money, power, hegemony. For the US, it's hegemony over the world. For the Zionists, it's hegemony over the Middle East - and maybe in the future, the world, if they can gain control of the US sufficiently - a task at which they will be opposed by the other factions in the PTB.
As I constantly have to tell people, it's never a binary "either-or" situation.
great comment richard... i agree with you.. that hoh fellow says much the same in the interview i have linked... it is a confluence of interests, not just one interest... the problem here as i see it is these interests are going to pull the usa apart... the usa, aside from continuing to jeopardize its position on the world stage, is in a very fragile place here as i see it..
why do i say this?? it appears to want to maintain a 3 war policy here - russia, iran, china.... i can't seeing that working out in the long run... i am not sure what happens in the short run, but something has to break... i think it will be the usa..
You’ve managed to cut through all the BS rather nicely. I think you’re correct- Biden or more accurately the handlers with their hands inside the sock puppet corpse of Biden want war with Iran. One extra “tell” is the overt threat to hit oil facilities. That’s out of character for a political party facing an election in around 30 days. Normally they try to reassure and manage markets so as not to lose voters. Seems that the neocons just don’t care anymore - neither Trump nor Harris are going to stop this.
Correct. Even Jake Sullivan, the campaign manager, is urging the US to support Israel. in attacking Iran. Think about that. The neocons don't care who wins the election - they'll still come out on top. Yet I don't know how many of Judge Nap's guys are still saying "the US doesn't want a war before the election." They're getting left behind by events.
Well said. I wish the MIC, never mind the closed minded Neocons, was rational, but it doesn't look like the Pentagon and their "defense" contractor owners are reality based.
It is really, really stupid for the U.S. and/or the IDF to nuke Iran.
Why? Well, I learned of a study done some years ago in Iran to figure out how best to spray some kind of chemical that would kill a plant virus affecting some kind of crop they have. The wind patterns were studied. I'll dig up the link to the study if you want. The point is that radioactive fallout from, even the so-called "tactical" nuclear blast(s), will QUICKLY contaminate a large portion of Pakistan. If anybody thinks Pakistan is going pretend everything is "okay", they have forgotten that Pakistan has nukes. There's more, but I'm being brief.
You have ,of course, noticed this is my first comment here. Greetings from Vermont. I'm a 78 year old retired Air Traffic Controller with a foot in the grave and another one on a banana peel (no obvious disease death sentence yet, thank God, but ya never know...). I just subscribed to your substack because I agree 100% with a comment you just made on Sonar21 to Larry. Thank you for telling it like it is.
Thanks for your comment. I vaguely remember having seen something about that fallout problem some years ago, but can't remember where I saw it.
I'm 75 years old with an unhealthy taste for ice cream (especially this past week since it's been horribly hot here in San Francisco) and pizza. So I get your drift. :-)
This is related to your 4 part Armageddon in the Middle East article (I'm going through part 1 now):
Mark Sleboda said Netanyahu changed the name of the IDF attack on Lebanon from "Iron Sword" to "Apocalypse" something... Netanyahu and his pals here in the U.S. are an existential threat to we-the-people of planet Earth.
SOURCE:
Growing Censorship of Alt-media Voices on Youtube, Anniversary of Hamas Al Aqsa Flood Operation Attack on Israel, Netherlands Sends F-16s to Ukraine
Radio Interview on the Final Countdown 07/10/24
I made a graphic to describe the morally bankrupt Zionist Planned Criminal "promised land" Land Grab:
Tricked into dying... I mean, wouldn’t you have to trick him to kill him? I’d have to be tricked for anyone to kill me. I wouldn’t just let you do it. It’s not a fucking duel, is it. He. Was.
He was tricked. He died. That was the title. But I get your point, too. I agree if Hezbollah was a bit smarter - given that's how they got Soleimani - it wouldn't have happened.
One other item: remember how they killed Solemani? My undertanding is that thry tricked him into negotiations and droned him at the airport when he landed. He apparently was carrying a diplomatic passport at the time.
Fully share this analysis. Double-tongued diplomacy is an American tradition since the Indian Wars over NATO expansion, Oslo accords, Minsk 1&2 etc etc Washington is on par with London on that. And the Iran war is in reality a China war, cutting China off its oil supply. Like we did with Japan before Pearl Harbor.
You forget Israel was founded in 1948 and the colonial plan was in place decades before that. And the CIA came into existence shortly after. It wouldn't take much for some people to look at the map, and figure out who's going to be where in charge of what resources. It's really not that difficult.
Now how it actually played out is dependent on the individual decisions made subsequently. No one is saying every detail was laid out in advance - just the broad goals and the likely players. And those goals and players haven't changed in 75 years, other than China rising and even that might have been predicted.
Actually it was the BRITISH plan to establish Israel.
Iran wasn't taken care of until 1953 and the Mossadegh overthrow.
Everything you say is total horseshit.
You're clearly clueless about British motivations.
I'm not going to bother to engage any further. You're simplistic approach to literally everything is so far from reality as to be worthless.
No, it makes sense that the Axis doesn't want a war since even if they win it will devastate their countries. The US doesn't care because the US homeland is never at risk, as Andrei Martyanov has pointed out.
I do say that at this point, it's a waste of breath to say one doesn't want war when the enemy clearly does. I think Iran understands that now, as Khamenei has stated that Iran won't restrain itself any more.
There comes a time when one has to fish or cut bait, and I think the Axis is about at that point. But they'd still like the defining escalation to be on the other side so they can continue to claim the moral high ground, as if they didn't already have it. But that's how wars start - everyone has to blame the other side. That's why this story about an alleged Iranian underground nuclear test is being floated. It the US and Israel's last chance to blame Iran for their upcoming attack on Iran.
thanks richard.. it’s not a given a full fledged war.. if the crazies are in full control in the usa, then yes.. but it remains to be seen if this is fully true or not..
sp is retarded, not retared..cheers james
No, it doesn't remain to be seen. It's quite clear they are.
Thanks for the spelling correction, but I got to it two days late. :-)
well, we can agree to disagree then..
I'm listening to the Nima interview with Hudson and Wolf, as Karlof1 suggested. If you want proof how long this has been planned, listen to Hudson explain how this was all started by the Hudson Institute and Herman Kahn and Henry Jackson back in the 1950's and 60's.
In other words, as Hudson put it, this is a "religious war". As I said in my first part of "Armageddon", this is one of the major reasons this war is inevitable. There are economic reasons and religious reasons, and pure hegemony reasons.
The interview doesn't tell me anything I didn't already know, but it does fill in details most people don't know.
thanks richard.. i haven't got round to watching it yet.. i am however watching this right now and have cued it up to a point which might interest you.. give it a listen if you'd like - dimitri lascaris and matthew hoh in an interesting exchange - https://youtu.be/61lEPnxwG_0?t=1811
I read the transcript since I can't view Youtube videos on Youtube due to YT cutting audio if you have an adblocker running. That's why I download all my YT videos instead using Media Downloader.
Someone over at Sonar21 referenced this conflict between Doctorow and Mearsheimer as well.
Aside from the obvious - that Mearsheimer made his career on "The Israel Lobby" and thus any criticism of that thesis is a threat to his rep - both parties are wrong or more precisely incomplete.
In reality, the "PTB" are composed of a mix. Some are Zionists, some are Protestants influenced by Zionism, some are Catholics who hate Jews but aren't averse to using them - and ALL of them are united in pursuit of money, power, and US hegemony. That means oil which means control of the Middle East pursuant to war with "the East" - meaning Russia and China. As Hudson puts it, this was all designed back in the 1950s and 1960s.
Under that layer are the neocons who are mostly, but not entirely Jewish, nor are all of them religious Jews. The Zionist ideology is equally about power and hegemony in the Middle East as a colonial and racist project as much as it is a religious project.
As Wolff pointed out in the interview, the Israelis recognize they can't survive in the Arab world as "the bad guy" if they don't have the support of a major power. First it was France (mostly for nuclear power), then it was the US when France wouldn't give them nukes.
In other words, Israel is under control of the US but of course seeks to undermine that control - as any human would - and thus seeks to control the US. So it becomes a case of both sides using the other to get what they want.
Standard human behavior. Larry Johnson doesn't get this, as his article on Sonar21 proves. He comes down on the "Zionists control the US" as if that were the only issue that matters, like Mearsheimer. Doctorow comes down on the PTB control the Zionists.
In reality, as I've said, it's a perfect storm where everyone involved - the neocons, the Israelis, the MIC, the oil companies and the banks that finance these entities - are all on board with the same thing: money, power, hegemony. For the US, it's hegemony over the world. For the Zionists, it's hegemony over the Middle East - and maybe in the future, the world, if they can gain control of the US sufficiently - a task at which they will be opposed by the other factions in the PTB.
As I constantly have to tell people, it's never a binary "either-or" situation.
great comment richard... i agree with you.. that hoh fellow says much the same in the interview i have linked... it is a confluence of interests, not just one interest... the problem here as i see it is these interests are going to pull the usa apart... the usa, aside from continuing to jeopardize its position on the world stage, is in a very fragile place here as i see it..
why do i say this?? it appears to want to maintain a 3 war policy here - russia, iran, china.... i can't seeing that working out in the long run... i am not sure what happens in the short run, but something has to break... i think it will be the usa..
You’ve managed to cut through all the BS rather nicely. I think you’re correct- Biden or more accurately the handlers with their hands inside the sock puppet corpse of Biden want war with Iran. One extra “tell” is the overt threat to hit oil facilities. That’s out of character for a political party facing an election in around 30 days. Normally they try to reassure and manage markets so as not to lose voters. Seems that the neocons just don’t care anymore - neither Trump nor Harris are going to stop this.
Correct. Even Jake Sullivan, the campaign manager, is urging the US to support Israel. in attacking Iran. Think about that. The neocons don't care who wins the election - they'll still come out on top. Yet I don't know how many of Judge Nap's guys are still saying "the US doesn't want a war before the election." They're getting left behind by events.
Well said. I wish the MIC, never mind the closed minded Neocons, was rational, but it doesn't look like the Pentagon and their "defense" contractor owners are reality based.
It is really, really stupid for the U.S. and/or the IDF to nuke Iran.
Why? Well, I learned of a study done some years ago in Iran to figure out how best to spray some kind of chemical that would kill a plant virus affecting some kind of crop they have. The wind patterns were studied. I'll dig up the link to the study if you want. The point is that radioactive fallout from, even the so-called "tactical" nuclear blast(s), will QUICKLY contaminate a large portion of Pakistan. If anybody thinks Pakistan is going pretend everything is "okay", they have forgotten that Pakistan has nukes. There's more, but I'm being brief.
You have ,of course, noticed this is my first comment here. Greetings from Vermont. I'm a 78 year old retired Air Traffic Controller with a foot in the grave and another one on a banana peel (no obvious disease death sentence yet, thank God, but ya never know...). I just subscribed to your substack because I agree 100% with a comment you just made on Sonar21 to Larry. Thank you for telling it like it is.
Thanks for your comment. I vaguely remember having seen something about that fallout problem some years ago, but can't remember where I saw it.
I'm 75 years old with an unhealthy taste for ice cream (especially this past week since it's been horribly hot here in San Francisco) and pizza. So I get your drift. :-)
This is related to your 4 part Armageddon in the Middle East article (I'm going through part 1 now):
Mark Sleboda said Netanyahu changed the name of the IDF attack on Lebanon from "Iron Sword" to "Apocalypse" something... Netanyahu and his pals here in the U.S. are an existential threat to we-the-people of planet Earth.
SOURCE:
Growing Censorship of Alt-media Voices on Youtube, Anniversary of Hamas Al Aqsa Flood Operation Attack on Israel, Netherlands Sends F-16s to Ukraine
Radio Interview on the Final Countdown 07/10/24
I made a graphic to describe the morally bankrupt Zionist Planned Criminal "promised land" Land Grab:
soberthinking.createaforum.com/gallery/soberthinking/2876-6881-ZionistLandGrabPlan.png
Feel free to pass it on with or without attribution. People need to know how rapacious these evil bastards are.
That was obviously set up to murder Nasrallah and his team. The same stunt that they pulled on Suleimani.
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck…..
Mebbe it’s time to go duck hunting.
Question. If the ME oil fields get trashed - cui bono? I don’t think the Russians will complain but who else?
Tricked into dying... I mean, wouldn’t you have to trick him to kill him? I’d have to be tricked for anyone to kill me. I wouldn’t just let you do it. It’s not a fucking duel, is it. He. Was.
Eliminated.
Am Israel Chai
He was tricked. He died. That was the title. But I get your point, too. I agree if Hezbollah was a bit smarter - given that's how they got Soleimani - it wouldn't have happened.
You certainly deserve more reader commentary, R.S.H.
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OT, from SONAR:
"It’s like that guy in the Bush administration – I forget who – who said that they make the reality and the rest of us have to catch up."
"That guy" is Karl Rove. 🤮
I thought it was, but having a senior moment I couldn’t be sure. :-)
Thank you. I saw the link from Larry Johnson by way of Pepe Escobar. I think people should read my warning essay from yesterday. Both of my substacks are free. Some may enjoy my serialized novel. Here is the warning post. https://open.substack.com/pub/heininger/p/tipping-point-how-middle-eastern?r=16lm0&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
One other item: remember how they killed Solemani? My undertanding is that thry tricked him into negotiations and droned him at the airport when he landed. He apparently was carrying a diplomatic passport at the time.
Yes, I should have mentioned that.
It wasn't meant as a correction, just an addition. Thank you for your article!
People from get the Biden admin is from the Obama admin. They didn't forget or forgive for what Hezbollah did to the fsa
I think you are right. Your logic is irrefutable.
Fully share this analysis. Double-tongued diplomacy is an American tradition since the Indian Wars over NATO expansion, Oslo accords, Minsk 1&2 etc etc Washington is on par with London on that. And the Iran war is in reality a China war, cutting China off its oil supply. Like we did with Japan before Pearl Harbor.
Exactly.